From Midlife Pivot to Proven Results: The Power of Coaching with Katie Sevenants & Dr. Susan Blumberg | 011

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here with Katie seven hits. And Katie was 23

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year business owner, 23 years and one of the top producers in

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a huge network marketing company, I believe, and you

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still have a big team. Yeah, that's not what you do now. Now

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you travel around the country, around the world, and help women

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be more confident on camera and help use video to make more

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sales.

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I love it. Yes, yes.

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So welcome to the promised land. It's good.

Katie Sevenants: 00:00:24

Thank you. Thanks for inviting me.

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Cool. So, so our focus is we want to really look

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at one of the three M's. So which of these you're more most

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passionate about? So the first m is magnetizing people. The

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second M is methodology that makes a difference, and the

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third M is being the right mentor. Which one is like most

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exciting to you?

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I like the mentor part because I feel like

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that's something that I work mostly with women over 50 that

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are questioning their own worth and value, and so when I love

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watching them realize their own potential, and then we get to

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mentor other people and help them. So maybe it's not so hard

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when they're raising their family, or they're taking the

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next step in life, when their kids are leaving home and

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they're not sure where to go. So

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what to you? What does it take to be a great

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mentor?

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I think about the people who've mentored me

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and who have made a huge impact in my life. And there are parts

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that I take from all of that and just really thinking about how

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they have shifted things for me, not telling me how to be, not

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telling me what to do, but modeling in front of me the way

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I want to treat other people, the way I want to learn and

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grow. And to me, that's that's being a great mentor. You don't

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have

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to say names, like, I don't always name mine. And

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like, who is one of your your top mentors?

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There's a woman that has shifted my mindset so

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much in things that I didn't think were an issue for me, you

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know, perfectionism and stuff like that, but she just helped

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me recognize some things, and showed me another way to look at

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things, to another way to think, another way to believe, another

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way to see a situation. And that shifted a lot for me, but way

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back, a long time ago, probably the first person who ever helped

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me understand the power of visualize visualization was a

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basketball coach I had in high school helping me with free

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throws. I mean, that's something you do every day, over and over

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and over and over again, and it was so hard, wouldn't, nobody

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was getting it. And he taught us how to visualize the event

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actually happening the way you want it, and the crowd cheering

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for you afterwards, and the whole picturing something

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already done. And he stands out for me a lot that was a very

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long time ago. Did your free throws get better? Yes, yes,

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almost immediately, yeah.

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So do you do this visualization now? Yes, I do.

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How do you use it now?

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Now I do it well, when I have an audience of

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whether I'm teaching makeup or I'm getting on stage and

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coaching people, it's thinking about what the result I want for

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them, what how do I want them to feel after my presentation? How

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do I want the connection that I have with the people I'm working

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with? What does that look like as it's already after it's

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already happened? Not it's going to happen, but this is how it is

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when I'm finished and celebrate.

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I think too many people don't realize that doing

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a presentation is very much like engaging in a game, like, there,

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it's not necessarily competition, well, it's

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competition with yourself, but it's like, there's a start,

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there's an end, there's a goal, there's metrics to see if you

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win, and then there's gonna be ups and downs, or times you're

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challenged. And so I remember my first hypnosis show, I had a CD

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I would listen to, or it was about, it was about speaking.

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Was picturing the audience cheering for you. And I remember

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my first and my that hypnosis shows like my first public

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performance. I remember sitting in the car listening to that

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hypnosis CD and then going inside doing my show. That's

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good, yeah, it helped from the beginning. It's

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get in that get in that feeling right away. Love it.

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So what's been the the biggest challenge for you

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about being a great mentor? I wonder if you had to learn the

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most

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that it's okay to try take steps forward,

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whether you know what you're doing completely or not, it

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doesn't have to be perfect, and you can still make a difference

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when you're helping someone, when you're taking those steps

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forward, you can still make a difference in their life. You

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don't have to have it all figured out at the time you go.

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So we were talking about your your coaching, yes,

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so Katie's in my program, and we've been we've seen you a lot

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over the last year. Yes, you have. For power days and other

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stuff we've talked about, freeing people up to really have

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charisma on camera. So how does that play into it? Like, like,

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what are some of the what are some of the secrets to really

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turn up your charisma and your confidence on camera,

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recognizing your strengths? First of all,

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being big, being dramatic, to a point, depending on what you're

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speaking about, but getting out there and capturing someone's

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attention right away. So many times you see videos, I see

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videos of people who are like, Hi, I'm Katie, and I help women

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on camera. And let's wait for a minute until everybody shows up,

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until people get on and what I really feel is so important. We

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know video is really important, but capturing their attention

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right off the bat with under three seconds. How do you do

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that? Like start with a hook. Start with what they want to

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hear. Start with something, a line of something that is going

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to grab their attention right off the bat and then take a

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breath and go into your introduction. Hi, I'm Katie.

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I've been doing this for a long time, and I can help you. And

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then let's go into more detail on the topic.

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I was just at a mastermind, and a guy in there

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who's killing it in YouTube said that he doesn't make the video

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until he comes up with a great hook and a great what is it

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called? The image that shows me to play YouTube thumbnail until

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he has a great thumbnail and a great hook, he

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doesn't even make the video. I mean, those

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two things are really important. I don't post it until I have a

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hook. But GPT is very helpful as well. Shortened version the

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thumbnail, I don't even think is as important sometimes. Why?

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Because not, not everyone's going to see that unless they're

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specifically going to your channel to look through your

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videos. Yes, you need to have it and you need to have the hook

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right on the screen. But

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yeah, so let's go back to kind of jumping around.

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We're going backwards a little bit. You mentioned you played

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basketball in high

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school. Yes, I did way after no no intramural

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in college, that was it.

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How did playing sports or basketball as a team

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equip you for today, that

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whole team atmosphere? That's something

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that I truly believe in I've heard it, and I will probably

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get it wrong, but you can go fast alone, and you can go far

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as a team, something like that. I learned team sports early on,

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and that's something I encourage my own children to do. You learn

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that you can only go so far as yourself and your own

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personality. We've learned a lot about that as well. But when you

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can incorporate the strengths from other people as a

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collective, the group, the community, you all rise

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together. That's awesome.

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Yeah, I've had to learn that too. It's so what do

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you what are your top tips right now on any the following,

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speaking, sales, marketing, mindset or business success.

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What are you most excited about speaking sales, marketing

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mindset, business success?

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Well, I love Mindset and Marketing. Those are

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my two favorites. I think because mindset was a big issue

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I had, I put caps on myself as I was learning and growing, and

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when I can see those walls come down for other people as well.

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It's like, oh my gosh, we can change the world. We just have

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to think differently.

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Yeah, I really don't believe there's any person

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out there who can't have success, right? Like, it's about

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mindset, like one things I really believe. I believe a lot

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of people that society would call dumb, just they think

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they're dumb and so they don't even give

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themselves a chance to learn. Well, the more

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they say that they don't understand things. Yeah, but we

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can, we can change. We've seen it right in front of us. We've

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seen it, yeah, some of us can let things go.

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So what books are you reading right now? I

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read on repeat. Change your paradigm. Change

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Your Life

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by like you read it over and over. Change your life.

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Change your life. Cool. What else

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I read? I'm a sucker for I love personal

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development books, so I read a lot of that. Oh, I know some

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friends who are writing books too. Read those too.

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What personal development books have you read

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recently?

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I just, I'm reading one magic mind, magic,

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Dr Dodie, that's another one on visualization and mindset. And I

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love that one, and it's so there's so much talk about

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mindset being Woo, woo, which I love, and he's a neuroscience

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scientist, so he talks about the science behind it, and

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specifically what things to do and in what order, because

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that's what makes a difference and locks it in your brain.

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You know, I really think, well, at least. The

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circles I'm in. Anyone who calls stuff woo, woo in a derogatory

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term is just missing the boat like woo. Woo is what makes it

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what. So I was at a mastermind, a guy who was the CMO of

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Clickfunnels, and a bunch of people in there. Then you

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looking at them with these people, they're all woo, woo.

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And we all he was doing this guy, Steve, was doing a

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presentation, he goes something, woo, woo. And the whole audience

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just spontaneously went, woo, woo. And it was so funny. But

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it's like, the Woo, Woo is what makes it work, yeah, and woo

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doesn't have to be weird, and it's not weird anymore. And

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like, I'm a strong Christian, and what I think is science is

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just starting to catch up to a lot of what it says in the

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Bible, and a lot of what woo, woo or stuff is like now they're

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figuring, oh, this actually, for instance, I was listening to Joe

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Rogan last night, and this, you know, not working, not woo woo,

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necessarily. But there was a guy who had this theory that human

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involvement part of it happened because, way back when they ate

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mushrooms, because they're just swarging for food, they ate it,

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but he had this theory that mushrooms caused them to make

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more connections of sounds and lights and start to develop

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language. And in the last, I don't know how much time, I

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don't remember what they said, but they've proven, in the like,

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clinically proven now, that psilocybin causes neurons to

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grow and neural connections to be made, so there's actually a

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backing for it. And so my what I'm saying by that is I really

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believe that there's, there's all these things that we learned

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in personal growth over the years, and people are putting

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out, they're finding the science for it, like, you know, and talk

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about gaining rapport Well, now they found things called mirror

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neurons, and how it causes us to actually experience what other

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people are experiencing. I've been seeing for 20 years. The

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emotion of the speaker becomes the emotional audience, like it

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starts to just come together.

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It makes sense, and we just haven't taken the

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time. I it probably was something people discussed a

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long time ago, and then it gets sort of tucked out of us as we

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grow now, we're finally coming back more into that. I love it.

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Yeah,

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me too. It's awesome. So what's next for you?

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What's What's your next big

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goal? My next big goal is get in front of a

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lot more women who need some help showing up and getting

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visible.

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Why? Why is that important? Because I

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feel like women over 50 tend to all of a sudden,

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they hit a number, and they just stop, and that's like the end,

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and they go by the recliners and sit in front of the TV. And I

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don't want to be that. I don't want to see that.

Jase Souder: 00:12:36

That's awesome. Yeah, I definitely don't want to

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see that

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either. Yeah, we got grandkids. I have

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grandkids. Yes, I want to get out there and play. And there's

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so much more to life. What if the next chapter is the best

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chapter? Right? The kids have relaxed. The kids are doing

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their own things. It's time for you, your spouse, yourself, just

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to get out there and and truly live your life the way you want

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to. It's a

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great line. What if the next chapter really is the

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best chapter? That's awesome. So how can people find you

Katie Sevenants: 00:13:06

the midlife makeover.com? Really? Yeah, I

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know

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you have that URL. That's Yes, I do the midlife

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May. We'll put in the show to show Awesome. Yeah, the midlife

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makeover. I don't

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know what comes after midlife. I don't think

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that word is nearly as fun as the midlife makeover. So wait,

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what after that? Then what's next? Like, we just have to mid

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life is fit the other half? Oh, oh, I have to work on that one.

Jase Souder: 00:13:34

No, but I get what you're saying. It's like,

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there's early life, there's mid life, then what's Yeah, and then

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it's just like dead or old and decrepit

Katie Sevenants: 00:13:42

exactly. I don't want that. We have to come

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up with a new name. You can do it,

Jase Souder: 00:13:46

man. Now you got me.

Katie Sevenants: 00:13:47

Thanks so much for coming on. Thank you. I had

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fun.

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So you're a ballerina.

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Susan L. Blumberg: I started dance lessons at three. I

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crushed my foot. Little girls like to slide in big, thick

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socks on slippery floors, and I tripped and went down and

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squished my foot. And so they put me in dance lessons instead

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of physical therapy, but then I crushed it again when I was

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seven years old, and so they told me I'd probably never be

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able to go up on point because I had ripped my Achilles tendon.

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And so they put me in modern dance at that point, and I

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continued with lessons, and then in college, I added tap dancing

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and jazz. And because I lived in New York City, I was very

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fortunate. My modern dance was with a high level dancer from

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the Martha Graham Dance Company, a very famous company, and my

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jazz and tap were with members of the Alvin Ailey Dance

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Company, another very famous dance company. So I got very

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high level lessons, and I was in a performing troupe in both high

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school and. An audition only performing troupe when I was in

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college in Massachusetts. So I had dance lessons from three

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until age 22 when I went to graduate school and became

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sedentary because there was way too much to do in graduate

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school to have time for daily dance lessons. I

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didn't know you did that. You know, I watch a

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Tiktok, and they do these, I don't like that dances someone

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does just for attention, but they'll be these viral ones, and

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they're so cute. And there's this one, I don't remember this

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woman's name, but she's a choreographer, and this one

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piece she did took off and, like, just this one move. It's

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so cute. I'm like, I want to, I want to take dance lessons. It

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just looks like so much fun.

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Susan L. Blumberg: Well, during the pandemic, I took classes

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online with the Mark Morris Dance Company, another modern

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dance company, until I became ill and I gained too much weight

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to be able to do it comfortably. But it was so nice at my age to

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go back to the beginner lessons and feel the body memory of, Oh,

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wow. I do know all the moves. I may not be able to participate

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in the class the full way you do at a 20s as opposed to 60 year

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old, but the body memory of my body being able to move through

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space was so gratifying.

Jase Souder: 00:16:22

Oh, that's so cool. So we're talking about dance.

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Let's talk about what you actually do. So so let me read

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your bios. So I'm here with Susan Blumberg, and I have a

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coach, author, wife, mother, 40 years as a psychologist and now

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a coach. And you work with families of teens and young

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adults were ready to move forward in their lives. So why

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are you making a switch from being a like a psychologist with

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an office and all that, to coaching?

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Susan L. Blumberg: Well, I still have an office. It's funny the

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way you said that. Well, I know it from being a psychologist to

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a coach, because I'm trained as a cognitive behavioral

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therapist, and that is very skills oriented, what we believe

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as a cognitive behavioral psychologist is that the way you

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think and feel informs how you behave, and so that the way you

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can change what your behavior and actions are is by changing

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the way you think and feel about things. So if you have anxiety,

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if you have fear, if you have a troubled relationship with your

Jase Souder: 00:17:27

parents or your siblings or with other people in any part of your

Jase Souder: 00:17:32

life, that changing the way you think and you feel, and I make

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that distinction very carefully between your cognitions and your

Jase Souder: 00:17:41

emotions that we then can produce change in your behavior.

Jase Souder: 00:17:45

What do you mean by cognition? Cognitions are things you think.

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I think this is going to hurt me. I think this work is too

Jase Souder: 00:17:52

hard for me. I think I can't speak on stages because it's too

Jase Souder: 00:17:57

difficult and I'll do a poor job. Feelings or emotions are

Jase Souder: 00:18:03

anger, anxiety, sadness, depression, okay, and we mix

Jase Souder: 00:18:09

them up because we say, I think I'm scared. You don't think

Jase Souder: 00:18:13

you're scared. You think you can't do it well, but you feel

Jase Souder: 00:18:17

scared. So we teach people how to make those changes, and then

Jase Souder: 00:18:22

we can move on to changing their behaviors. Now, I did that work

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for many years, and then realized that what I really

Jase Souder: 00:18:31

wanted to do was just teach the skills, and doing that in a

Jase Souder: 00:18:35

coaching context is different than the way you do it as a

Jase Souder: 00:18:39

therapist, so as in a coaching context, it's more educational,

Jase Souder: 00:18:45

it's more straightforward. You can be more directive. It's not

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therapy. Therapy has a whole lot of other pieces contained within

Jase Souder: 00:18:55

it and a whole different methodology to use, but coaches

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take what we call a psycho educational approach. It's just

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like coaching in sports, you'll learn the game, you'll learn the

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rules of the game, and then the coach stays back here and sends

Jase Souder: 00:19:11

their team out there onto the field where they play the game,

Jase Souder: 00:19:15

and if they stumble and make mistakes, they come back in and

Jase Souder: 00:19:19

the coach says, You did this great. You did that great. Now

Jase Souder: 00:19:23

let's tweak the parts. You stumbled on this part of the

Jase Souder: 00:19:26

game. You missed that play, you didn't catch the ball, you

Jase Souder: 00:19:30

didn't pass it to the right person. And the coach takes the

Jase Souder: 00:19:33

responsibility of tweaking every tweaking everybody's

Jase Souder: 00:19:37

understanding of the rules. Maybe somebody needs to work on

Jase Souder: 00:19:41

their fitness, and so then you drill them, and you drill them

Jase Souder: 00:19:44

and you drill them. I'm sure you've been in situations games

Jase Souder: 00:19:48

when you were younger, the cross fit you do now Jase, you drill

Jase Souder: 00:19:52

and drill and drill until you have that mental memory and that

Jase Souder: 00:19:56

muscle memory to go out there and do it correctly. Mm, hmm,

Jase Souder: 00:20:00

that's what I do now for the kids I work

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with. So what's, what's an example of something

Jase Souder: 00:20:04

you could do now that you couldn't do that, or how you had

Jase Souder: 00:20:08

to do a practice that was limiting for you compared to

Jase Souder: 00:20:13

what you can do now?

Jase Souder: 00:20:14

Susan L. Blumberg: Well, yeah, I could talk about that, but I

Jase Souder: 00:20:16

think the important piece is what I could do then is I waited

Jase Souder: 00:20:21

more for the family to process their emotions before we could

Jase Souder: 00:20:27

move forward. Now what I do is we identify a goal, we figure

Jase Souder: 00:20:33

out an action plan for taking care of that goal, and I teach

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the skills

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so it's kind of more proactive. Yes, it's

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extremely proactive. Because I hear people. The reason I'm

Jase Souder: 00:20:45

asking is, I've heard people over the years. Could I don't

Jase Souder: 00:20:49

know a lot about the world of counseling, but I've heard

Jase Souder: 00:20:51

people over the years talk about working with a counselor versus

Jase Souder: 00:20:54

a coach, or the results they produce. And then I've heard a

Jase Souder: 00:20:56

ton of people go to events and say, Oh, it's like I got 10

Jase Souder: 00:20:59

years of counseling in one weekend. I'm not really sure

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what people mean by that.

Jase Souder: 00:21:04

Susan L. Blumberg: Well, that's exactly what it's about therapy,

Jase Souder: 00:21:07

which is a little different than counseling. Therapy is an

Jase Souder: 00:21:10

intensive exploration of your feelings, your thoughts, your

Jase Souder: 00:21:16

relationships with other people, right? I don't do any of that in

Jase Souder: 00:21:21

coaching. I look at the big picture with you, and I narrow

Jase Souder: 00:21:26

laser focus on what are the things that are holding you

Jase Souder: 00:21:30

back? Let's make a plan to handle that. Got it. You know,

Jase Souder: 00:21:34

you need a ladder. Let's build a ladder. I don't worry about your

Jase Souder: 00:21:37

feelings about that ladder. I wake sure it's a sturdy ladder

Jase Souder: 00:21:42

that will handle it's the right length, it's the right height,

Jase Souder: 00:21:45

it's strong enough for your body type. And we build that ladder

Jase Souder: 00:21:49

and you climb that mountain.

Jase Souder: 00:21:51

Which one's more fun for you? Coaching.

Jase Souder: 00:21:54

Susan L. Blumberg: The coaching sounds like, yeah. 30 years of

Jase Souder: 00:21:57

psychology was fabulous, and I helped hundreds, if not 1000s,

Jase Souder: 00:22:02

of families in 30 years as a psychologist, I am very proud of

Jase Souder: 00:22:07

the work I did. I co authored seven books on relationships and

Jase Souder: 00:22:11

marriage. I wrote a book on parenting children with special

Jase Souder: 00:22:14

needs. I am super proud of my work, but what I do as a coach,

Jase Souder: 00:22:19

I see much more immediate results, and I get great

Jase Souder: 00:22:23

feedback from my clients.

Jase Souder: 00:22:25

That's awesome. So what what initiated or

Jase Souder: 00:22:28

instigated this pivot, this change?

Jase Souder: 00:22:31

Susan L. Blumberg: Well, in Colorado, there were some issues

Jase Souder: 00:22:34

around the licensing board. There were some legal issues,

Jase Souder: 00:22:38

and so I decided, rather than get involved with that, I would

Jase Souder: 00:22:41

drop my license as a psychologist and move forward as

Jase Souder: 00:22:45

a coach, which gave me so much more freedom. Isn't

Jase Souder: 00:22:47

that interesting? How many pivot points we have in

Jase Souder: 00:22:50

life? This is not the same. Similar to me, I was running. I

Jase Souder: 00:22:53

had houses years ago and just lost them in the recession, and

Jase Souder: 00:22:57

I was renting for years, and my now wife, and I were renting a

Jase Souder: 00:23:00

place, so we had no intention to move, and the landlords were

Jase Souder: 00:23:04

like, we're moving back in. It was during covid, so we had to

Jase Souder: 00:23:07

move like, well, let's see if we could buy and we did. We bought

Jase Souder: 00:23:11

a home we love, and I don't know if we would have made that shift

Jase Souder: 00:23:15

if we didn't have to. Yeah. So is the grass greener now

Jase Souder: 00:23:18

Susan L. Blumberg: for me, it is, you know, I make more money

Jase Souder: 00:23:21

than I did before. I one of the things that changed me, I was

Jase Souder: 00:23:25

already a coach before the pandemic, but one of the things

Jase Souder: 00:23:29

I did for myself the very first year of covid is I decided to

Jase Souder: 00:23:34

invest in a branding and marketing program smart so

Jase Souder: 00:23:37

that's where I started. And I had always just been referral

Jase Souder: 00:23:42

only, and I had a very part time business. It brought in some

Jase Souder: 00:23:46

money, but my husband was the main breadwinner for our home

Jase Souder: 00:23:50

and our children, and I had always worked part time and

Jase Souder: 00:23:54

taken care of our kids, who, as you've heard me say in my

Jase Souder: 00:23:58

presentations, have special needs, I want to talk about them

Jase Souder: 00:24:03

next. Okay? And so I decided to invest in a branding and

Jase Souder: 00:24:07

marketing program and learn how to have a name for myself, a

Jase Souder: 00:24:11

brand for myself and a business. You know, in psychology grad

Jase Souder: 00:24:16

school, they don't teach you how to run a business, and I have

Jase Souder: 00:24:20

always said, if they had only told me to buy stock in Procter

Jase Souder: 00:24:24

and Gamble who sells tissues, I would never have had to change

Jase Souder: 00:24:29

charge a client a penny. I could have absolutely supported myself

Jase Souder: 00:24:34

just with stock and Kleenex tissues, but it didn't work out

Jase Souder: 00:24:38

that way. So I had to make a living, and then I went from

Jase Souder: 00:24:42

that program to Sarah Gray, who's another coach who has

Jase Souder: 00:24:46

really helped me identify many of the skills. And after some

Jase Souder: 00:24:50

time working with her, I met you, Jase, and now I've been

Jase Souder: 00:24:54

working with you for two years, because even though I've had a

Jase Souder: 00:24:59

lot. Of experience speaking in front of large stages. It was

Jase Souder: 00:25:03

teaching and educational, and I've never learned how to sell

Jase Souder: 00:25:08

myself on a stage and sell my material. And so I see a real

Jase Souder: 00:25:12

evolution over the last five years in now being a business

Jase Souder: 00:25:16

woman and bringing my materials to my audiences, instead of

Jase Souder: 00:25:20

sitting back in that office and waiting for people to come to me,

Jase Souder: 00:25:25

who else? Yeah, this is the one industry being a

Jase Souder: 00:25:28

coach, where we where the marketers hat, the salesperson

Jase Souder: 00:25:32

hat, the delivery hat, the accounting hat, the client

Jase Souder: 00:25:35

Susan L. Blumberg: follow that, and they have to do the work and

Jase Souder: 00:25:38

see the clients. Yeah,

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all of those hats. So what you're we were talking

Jase Souder: 00:25:43

about your bio before we started recording, and you said, for

Jase Souder: 00:25:46

families who are ready to move forward. Then you mentioned your

Jase Souder: 00:25:48

kids. So what's that about? Like, who's your who's your

Jase Souder: 00:25:52

passion, your specialty,

Jase Souder: 00:25:54

Susan L. Blumberg: or so? One of the things that's interesting is

Jase Souder: 00:25:56

I was in my field, working with families for 10 years before I

Jase Souder: 00:26:02

had a child of my own, my oldest daughter is 30, and then I had a

Jase Souder: 00:26:08

few years apart, two children with special needs. Both my

Jase Souder: 00:26:11

children are labeled what's called twice exceptional, and

Jase Souder: 00:26:14

that means that they're gifted, highly gifted, and have

Jase Souder: 00:26:18

disability labels, and that for my son, includes ADHD and

Jase Souder: 00:26:22

anxiety. For my daughter, it includes autism, Tourette

Jase Souder: 00:26:26

Syndrome, panic disorder and what's called non verbal

Jase Souder: 00:26:30

learning disability, which doesn't mean that she's non

Jase Souder: 00:26:33

verbal, but has difficulty with non verbal skills like math and

Jase Souder: 00:26:37

directions and some non verbal social issues, and I was already

Jase Souder: 00:26:43

in the field. So when I had the children, I was able to take

Jase Souder: 00:26:47

them to get diagnosed very early in their lives, which doesn't

Jase Souder: 00:26:52

happen for many families who aren't already connected to the

Jase Souder: 00:26:55

community of disability workers, and I was able to get them into

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the right kinds of therapies and the right kinds of supports. And

Jase Souder: 00:27:04

of course, our home was immediately designed to support

Jase Souder: 00:27:08

them right from birth. They had people coming into the home to

Jase Souder: 00:27:12

provide them services. They got occupational therapy and so on.

Jase Souder: 00:27:16

Because this is what I was doing for my clients. And so the

Jase Souder: 00:27:20

clients that I see now, the vast majority of them, the children,

Jase Souder: 00:27:24

have some kind of neuro divergent label. They have ADHD

Jase Souder: 00:27:29

or autism or a learning disability. But many of them are

Jase Souder: 00:27:33

also gifted. And I run a Facebook page for the last 12

Jase Souder: 00:27:37

years called parents of twice exceptional children. We have

Jase Souder: 00:27:41

over 26,000 members from all over the world, though most of

Jase Souder: 00:27:46

them are from the US, Canada and United Kingdom. But I have

Jase Souder: 00:27:51

people from Singapore, Egypt, Malaysia, everywhere, asking for

Jase Souder: 00:27:55

help with children like these. So as I said, about 80% of my

Jase Souder: 00:28:00

clients carry some kind of disability label. Most of those

Jase Souder: 00:28:05

are also twice exceptional, so the kids are also gifted. That's

Jase Souder: 00:28:08

a profile that's difficult to work with, and schools are not

Jase Souder: 00:28:12

always ready to handle it. About 20% of my cases don't have a

Jase Souder: 00:28:17

significant label of some kind, but are struggling, struggling

Jase Souder: 00:28:22

with their parents, struggling in school, and still need help.

Jase Souder: 00:28:26

That's a I'm

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glad you're called to that and you can do it. So

Jase Souder: 00:28:29

one of things we'd like to look at is the three M's, and that's

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magnetizing people to you, like getting clients, the methodology

Jase Souder: 00:28:35

actually being effective, and then mentorship being the right

Jase Souder: 00:28:38

mentor. So I want to ask you about that a moment. First

Jase Souder: 00:28:40

though, what's besides your kids, take your kids off the

Jase Souder: 00:28:43

table, just clients, what's one of the most rewarding results

Jase Souder: 00:28:47

you've been a part of producing for a family?

Jase Souder: 00:28:52

Susan L. Blumberg: I have two right now who are different

Jase Souder: 00:28:54

stages in their lives that I talk about. One is my client,

Jase Souder: 00:28:58

Adam. He had failed at three high schools in four years when

Jase Souder: 00:29:02

he came to me, and he had never gotten help for his ADHD had

Jase Souder: 00:29:06

never gotten accommodations in school, and I got him

Jase Souder: 00:29:09

identified, and I got him those supports in school. But after a

Jase Souder: 00:29:14

year of working together, he came to me when we were

Jase Souder: 00:29:18

discussing, okay, what progress have we made I do regular check

Jase Souder: 00:29:21

ins with my clients every few months after a year, he said the

Jase Souder: 00:29:26

single most important thing I had done for him was teach his

Jase Souder: 00:29:30

parents communication skills. He said, he said that, he said

Jase Souder: 00:29:35

that, I said that my he was 19 at that point, and he said for

Jase Souder: 00:29:41

the first time ever, he thought his parents were talking to him

Jase Souder: 00:29:45

with an attitude of trust and respect, instead of just

Jase Souder: 00:29:49

lecturing him or telling him what to do or nagging him. He

Jase Souder: 00:29:53

said it was a total life changer, learning the

Jase Souder: 00:29:56

communication technique I had taught him, and he. Recently,

Jase Souder: 00:30:00

about eight months ago, came back to me he had lost the first

Jase Souder: 00:30:05

job I had helped him find. He was back living in his mom and

Jase Souder: 00:30:09

dad's basement because his roommate situation hadn't worked

Jase Souder: 00:30:12

out, and he wanted my help again. Now he's 21 he's still

Jase Souder: 00:30:17

living at home, but I helped him find a professional job as a lab

Jase Souder: 00:30:22

tech in a blood bank, and makes my heart. He is back in college.

Jase Souder: 00:30:29

He went to college after not thinking he could do it, so I

Jase Souder: 00:30:32

really helped him with his mindset and his self confidence.

Jase Souder: 00:30:36

He just finished his first semester this past June, and he

Jase Souder: 00:30:40

texted me while I was here to say he has signed up for three

Jase Souder: 00:30:45

classes this coming semester. That's awesome. So he and this

Jase Souder: 00:30:51

is the very exciting part. When he first came back to me a

Jase Souder: 00:30:54

couple of months ago, he was having some arguments with his

Jase Souder: 00:30:57

mother. They were sharing a car, and he told me that they

Jase Souder: 00:31:00

remembered to sit down and use the same communication

Jase Souder: 00:31:04

technique. Really not with me, reminding him, he sat down and

Jase Souder: 00:31:08

said, okay, Mom and Dad, let's use that old technique. And they

Jase Souder: 00:31:12

worked out the car. I had

Jase Souder: 00:31:13

a question about that. Did you teach the

Jase Souder: 00:31:15

technique to him and the parents, or just him? No,

Jase Souder: 00:31:18

Susan L. Blumberg: no, I meet with the parents. Okay, that's

Jase Souder: 00:31:20

really awesome. Yeah, it really was,

Jase Souder: 00:31:23

really was when, like, you know, your stuff works

Jase Souder: 00:31:26

well, then you see it works. Yes, like script. So those three

Jase Souder: 00:31:30

M's, which one? What's your biggest like piece of advice,

Jase Souder: 00:31:33

tip for our audience, to help our audience, help more of their

Jase Souder: 00:31:37

people, to either magnetize their clients in to have the

Jase Souder: 00:31:40

right methodology, to be effective, or to be the right

Jase Souder: 00:31:43

mentor, or choose the right mentor. I'm

Jase Souder: 00:31:45

Susan L. Blumberg: going to pick methodology. I really thought

Jase Souder: 00:31:48

about this prior to talking to you, because, of course, I was

Jase Souder: 00:31:50

going to say mentorship, my relationship with those kids, is

Jase Souder: 00:31:54

the most important thing. But I'm going to pick methodology,

Jase Souder: 00:31:57

and I'll tell you why. Yeah, a lot of people offer programs

Jase Souder: 00:32:01

that they say are going to help kids. A lot of schools say

Jase Souder: 00:32:05

they're going to offer programs with executive function skills,

Jase Souder: 00:32:08

that's planning and organization, but they don't,

Jase Souder: 00:32:12

they're not successful, and it doesn't stick, like

Jase Souder: 00:32:15

communication skills or social skills, or they offer planning,

Jase Souder: 00:32:20

planners and calendars to kids. Methodology in this field is

Jase Souder: 00:32:25

only effective if it's evidence based or research based. That's

Jase Souder: 00:32:30

what it means. It's only effective if we can prove that

Jase Souder: 00:32:35

it is going to show a distinctive effect from before

Jase Souder: 00:32:40

to after and into the future. Just like my client, I have

Jase Souder: 00:32:45

research that proves the communication technique I teach

Jase Souder: 00:32:49

has long term impacts. I can prove that the eight identified

Jase Souder: 00:32:56

executive functioning, organization and structure

Jase Souder: 00:32:59

deficits that I identify in my clients are the ones that are

Jase Souder: 00:33:04

most important to teens and young adults, and I know how to

Jase Souder: 00:33:09

address those with those kids, and I can prove based on

Jase Souder: 00:33:13

research that the daily living plan that I teach to my clients

Jase Souder: 00:33:19

will help them move forward in their lives. There is solid

Jase Souder: 00:33:23

research in each of these areas

Jase Souder: 00:33:25

that would help make sales sure I agree with

Jase Souder: 00:33:28

that. So how can that coach at home map this over to what

Jase Souder: 00:33:31

they're doing.

Jase Souder: 00:33:32

Susan L. Blumberg: You can learn these strategies and skills. I

Jase Souder: 00:33:35

can point you to places if you want to be a coach in the same

Jase Souder: 00:33:39

field I am I can point you to what I'm asking learn those

Jase Souder: 00:33:44

skills. What I'm asking is more what's a tip you

Jase Souder: 00:33:47

can give any coach, whether you know, we have coaches who are

Jase Souder: 00:33:50

doing finance, coaches doing health, to with to help their

Jase Souder: 00:33:54

methodology is it find evidence based research that shows this

Jase Souder: 00:33:58

and then learn those skills and implement it to their business.

Jase Souder: 00:34:01

Or

Jase Souder: 00:34:01

Susan L. Blumberg: yes, that one's easy for me, yes. Don't go

Jase Souder: 00:34:05

by the seat of your pants. Don't recreate the wheel. This stuff

Jase Souder: 00:34:11

is out there. The US government actually has something called

Jase Souder: 00:34:17

the What Works warehouse, really, my communication program

Jase Souder: 00:34:23

is in that government database. Wow, it's based on research that

Jase Souder: 00:34:29

proves it works. There is something called the SEL social

Jase Souder: 00:34:34

emotional learning skills warehouse. It has a whole

Jase Souder: 00:34:39

database of social emotional learning programs.

Jase Souder: 00:34:44

Most people don't that's awesome, too, because as

Jase Souder: 00:34:47

a coach, if you could get on stage and say, this methodology

Jase Souder: 00:34:51

part of what our where to use a certain methodology, and it's

Jase Souder: 00:34:56

been proven out by X amount of people, or whatever, and it's

Jase Souder: 00:35:00

got. Stamp of approval, that would really increase conversions.

Jase Souder: 00:35:04

Susan L. Blumberg: I think so too.

Jase Souder: 00:35:06

How does a normal How does an average coach tap

Jase Souder: 00:35:08

into something like that?

Jase Souder: 00:35:10

Susan L. Blumberg: You just have to access the databases, do a

Jase Souder: 00:35:12

Google search. That's it. That's it. Say what you want to work

Jase Souder: 00:35:17

on. I work my three pieces that I teach in my coaching program,

Jase Souder: 00:35:21

and have for 10 years our communication skills. Of course,

Jase Souder: 00:35:25

I do the program that I helped create. It actually was my PhD

Jase Souder: 00:35:30

dissertation, my Well, my program, it's based on the work

Jase Souder: 00:35:35

by a company called prep, P, R, E, P stands, stands for pre

Jase Souder: 00:35:39

marital relationship education program because we originally

Jase Souder: 00:35:44

researched it for before and after marriage. We have seven

Jase Souder: 00:35:49

books in the series. Now. You could call it fighting for your

Jase Souder: 00:35:53

marriage by Howard Markman, Scott Stanley and Susan

Jase Souder: 00:35:57

Blumberg. We have a number of books in the series, my favorite

Jase Souder: 00:36:02

is 12 hours to a great marriage, because you can work on

Jase Souder: 00:36:07

exercises, all of which I wrote, whether you're working on your

Jase Souder: 00:36:11

marriage as an individual or as a couple, we have exercises in

Jase Souder: 00:36:15

every chapter that are proven to help you work through the issues

Jase Souder: 00:36:19

in your relationship.

Jase Souder: 00:36:20

Marriage was work, work. Yeah, married marriage's work.

Jase Souder: 00:36:25

Susan L. Blumberg: It's so much work. It is work, it is so much work.

Jase Souder: 00:36:29

Like and things need to be scheduled. Yes, they

Jase Souder: 00:36:32

do. We have been hope Betsy doesn't kill me for sharing

Jase Souder: 00:36:36

this. We've been learning intimate time needs to be

Jase Souder: 00:36:38

scheduled.

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Susan L. Blumberg: That's correct. Can Happen. My husband

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and I have always scheduled our weekly talk time, yes, and we

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schedule our intimate time, especially after we had

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children, yes, and he, he's here with me this weekend to even

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though I'm spending most of my time here with you. Jace, he's

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he went rafting today, and he's back at the hotel resting today.

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So where we are, for to give context, is we did a

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training called Rock the stage, got people up on stage, drilled

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them, trained them, got a bunch of videos and photos. So he got

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to go down the river today.

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Susan L. Blumberg: Yes, he did. That's so awesome. On Thursday,

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he went downtown, went around art galleries, took a tour of

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the Capitol building. Yesterday, he hung out by our hotel pool,

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but he came because I have some physical limitations, wasn't

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sure what I could do, and he's been here to offer me moral and

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physical support. I'm so glad he's here.

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So what are there? What before we wrap, what's one

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last tip you have on sales, marketing mindset to help a

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coach like what's one of the biggest things in your journey

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of growing and coaching a successful coaching business and

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your therapy practice. Which one of the like, what comes your

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heart like? I wish every coach could know this. Yes, I can.

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Susan L. Blumberg: It's all about the mindset. I've learned.

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I can learn marketing. I could read a book. I went and took a

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marketing program. I'm learning how to sell from stage with you.

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Jase, I'm not there yet, but I'm working on it really hard. I'm

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working on it really hard. But I had to say, Yes, I can instead

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of I don't know if I can.

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I wish everybody just did that. It's hard I do.

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By the way you're I think you're way better at selling from

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stage. And you know, just for you guys out there, she crushed

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you did. Awesome. Thanks. So where can people get in touch

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with you? How can they find you?

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Susan L. Blumberg: My website is Dr Susan blumberg.com to find

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out about all my services. And if you'd like to schedule a call

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with me, it's called coach susan.com

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Awesome. Thanks for coming. We'll put that in the

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show notes. Everybody, thanks for coming in.

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Susan L. Blumberg: Thank you. Jase.